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What criteria do you look at when deciding what type of forum you should start? I’m sure you’ve heard many other people recommend that you should start a forum based on a topic that interests you. The logic if obvious, if you don’t really care about the forum topic(s) than how can you set about creating a successful forum? I agree with this reasoning and even wrote about this a while ago. However, what can you do when the topic that interests you is not a profitable niche?

How I Chose My Niche

As some of you may already know by reading my story about getting started earning money on the internet, I run several video game related forums. I’ve always had a passion for video games and have even played Halo on the professional level. I also sell Halo lessons through my blog (in need of a serious redesign) over at thehalogod.com. In fact, I was even fortunate enough to use the success of my Halo videos to help launch a couple game related forums. However, as I look at the forums I’ve created I can’t help but think about the profitability of the niche I’ve chosen to target on the web.

The Low Profit Niche

I’ve focused most of my web properties around video games and in one circumstance - a single video game franchise i.e. Halo Boards. The question I now ask myself - that I should have done long ago - is how can I really make good money from these video game focused forums? Now I’m not just in it for the money and in fact if my revenue ever grew a substantial amount I would sponsor bigger events, provide giveaways, make improvements to the forum, and the list goes on. However, how can you really expect to make money off of advertising when nearly all of the active members and even the guests that find the site through search engines or other websites already own the video game system and games that most of the conversations center around (as in the case of Halo Boards)? The answer is simple - it’s extremely difficult. Even if the members of the website do click ads you have to remember these ads are still focused on video games which are frequently low paying.

Now the reason why these keywords don’t pay out well is because quite simply the ads that are displayed are for inexpensive items. When you see ads to buy third party game controllers, new video games and xbox live subscription cards you know that because these items hover around $50 there is not a lot of money to be earned with each sale. The advertiser can only make money if the cost of advertising is low enough that the conversions outweigh the cost of the ads. So to even make a decent sum of money you’ll need a lot of clicks.

The High Profit Niche

Now lets look at another example. Let’s say you run a forum focused on HDTV’s and the discussion of new HDTV’s, reviews and anything else related to this “new” technology. Immediately you know that a significant portion of the members on the forum are there to buy a new HDTV and are using your forum as a resource to help make an informed decision. And because of the nature of the forum members that are gathering more info to make a purchase, if they do click an advertisement they’re more likely to buy. This will help prevent your Adsense account from being smart priced but that’s a conversation for another day.

The cost of an HDTV can range from several hundred dollars to several thousand dollars. As you can see the products that will display in the advertisements on the HDTV forum example are much more expensive than those being displayed in the low paying niche. Naturally, because the products are so much more expensive advertisers have to pay much more for their ads ad clicks. With one low paying niche forum you could make a couple hundred dollars a month and on the other high paying niche forum you could make a couple thousand dollars a month with the same traffic level and activity. So before you launch your next forum make sure that you are not only interested in the topic but you also ask yourself, “How much money is there in this this niche?”

Lessons Learned

I’m not going to look back and view the decisions I made as a mistake, because starting those forums is what got me into earning money on the web in the first place. I also had a lot of fun doing it, but now that I’ve learned some lessons I’m certainly going to do more extensive research to determine how profitable the niche is.

Have you ever made this “mistake” before? What factors help you determine which new websites and forums to run with?

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Let me preface this post by saying that if you don’t already know by now I’m a huge gamer. I love playing video games and most of the websites I run are focused on the video games genre. So naturally I was looking to start another website about XBLA games (Xbox Live Arcade) and this lead me to purchase XboxLiveArcade.org on Dec 30th 2006. I held onto the domain for a few months while I waited to launch the forum.

At the time, the .com and .net were already taken by someone that just used it as a parked page. On a whim, a couple weeks after I purchased the .org I thought I’d just look to see if the .com was available because I remembered that when I first checked it was set to expire soon. I knew not to get my hopes up as most people renew their domains at the end of the year cycle automatically or at least near to it. However, to my delight, after entering my search I was staring at a GoDaddy screen that stated XboxLiveArcade.com was available! I couldn’t believe it dropped and no one picked it up.

For those of you that don’t own an Xbox 360 or follow video games that much – Xbox Live Arcade is the platform that small less expensive games are released on. You can download trials for every game to test them out or purchase them right from your Xbox dashboard for varying prices. So because of the fact that Microsoft never bothered to buy the domain and it was held by a domain parker for so long I couldn’t believe that I was able to get it for the cost of a new domain fee.

I launched the forum a few months later and I immediately linked to XboxLiveArcade.com from my other game sites using the anchor text “Xbox Live Arcade.” I’ve also shared links with other websites and the site currently sits at the number 5 slot on the front page of Google. Now I do need to make some alterations so that the description reads something like “Xbox Live Arcade Game Reviews, News and Forums,” but I haven’t gotten around to doing this. Anyway, because of the fact that the domain name is XboxLiveArcade.com and I’ve used “Xbox Live Arcade” as the anchor text it was really for the site to make it onto the front page of Google. Obviously the greatest thing about being on the front page for a highly relevant search term is the targeted traffic it’s been sending me. Check out this screenshot from Google Analytics:

Xbox Live Arcade Search Term
This is less than half of the traffic the site receives from search engines too :)

Now the only thing I have to worry about is Microsoft’s lawyers coming after me for it someday…

Are you on the front page of Google for your key search terms? If so, how long did it take you to get there?

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I just found out about the youtube partner program a little while ago and had to write about it. You can find program details at youtube.com/partners

The program basically allows you to make money off of your youtube videos much in the way you make money off of Adsense. If accepted the revenue from ads is split between you and YouTube (Google). The restrictions are listed below:

Who qualifies for partnership?
To become a partner, you need to meet these criteria:
You create original videos suitable for online streaming.
You own the copyrights and distribution rights for all audio and video content that you upload — no exceptions.
You regularly upload videos that are viewed by thousands of YouTube users.
You live in the United States or Canada.

I just applied under my youtube account that I use to share my halo videos thehalogodDotcom which currently sits at a little over 200 subscribers and about 17,000 video views. If only I had a youtube account before when I first created and posted my videos I’d have a lot more views and be much more likely to be accepted. Look at this URL for one of the earlier Halo videos I created http://youtube.com/watch?v=xwMUawpNJuY it has close to 300,000 views! And a couple other users posted the same video and those are in the 6 figure range as well. Either way, my subscribers and video views will go up a ton after I release my first Halo 3 montage and if I’m not accepted into the youtube partner program now I’ll definetely reapply after my next video is released.

I’ll provide an update wether I’m accepted or not, but I’m near certain I won’t be accepted because I didn’t have my videos posted on youtube when they were first made, instead someone else got all the views.

Have you applied yet?

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vBSEO is on sale now for only 72 hours. The price goes up as the sale goes on so buy now!

If you’re thinking about buying it do so now they don’t have sales that often.

Go buy vBSEO now!

I’m going to buy another one for a new forum I’m about to start now.

Edit: Just bought one.

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I’ve never understood why forum admins opt to lease vBulletin instead of paying $160 for an owned vBulletin license. Is the only reason to do so is simply because they want to save the $85 and get into the best forum software the net has to offer for as cheap as possible?

If that’s the case, lets look at why I highly recommend you go for the gusto and purchase a full vBulletin license instead of going the leasing route.

Obviously you are leasing this software so just like that car you may be leasing at $300 a month, at the end of the lease period you’re left with nothing. Leasing is pretty stupid in my opinion because you have to spend money on something and in the case of vBulletin after one year you have to pay for another year (bringing your total up to over $160 anyway) or then opt for an owned license and lose out on that first year you payed for the leased license.

I would also not recommend leasing vBulletin because of the fact that you can’t transfer the license to a new owner. So if you build up your forum and grow tired of the topic, don’t have enough time on your hands or just want to cash out you won’t be able to transfer the license to the new owner. This will of course affect the selling price of that forum you’re trying to sell on digital point.

I’m glad I purchased my vBulletin licenses instead of starting out by leasing because I’ve been running one of my forums for about two and a half years now. I’d hate to have spent $255 only to have 6 months left on my thid lease. Remember, it takes money to make money so if you aren’t willing to pony up the $160 for a vBulletin license what will you be able to do to promote and market your forum for it’s most crucial launch time period?

If you’re looking for steps on how to start a forum check out my series that covers it.

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Over at vBulletin they recently announced vBulletin 3.7 with tons of new features and benefits. Overall, I’m looking forward to the release and when it becomes stable I plan to move all of my forums up the the absoulte latest version then.

One of the things I like best about the latest version is their focus on improving spam control. With the latest version of vBulletin, it will give forum admins and mods the ability to deal with spam posts inline (i.e. from within the post or thread) and then delete it and/or ban the user that posted it. They’re also including an option to offer guests a random question from a bank of questions you create for them to answer before being able to finish creating their account. Awesome! It’s incredibly frustrating dealing with more and more spam these days so any time the developers over at vBulletin focus on improving ways to control spam I’m excited.

There are tons and tons of other great options they’re putting into vBulletin 3.7 that I’m interested in being able to use soon. You can see the official announcement thread here.

I think vBulletin 3.7 will mark the time in which I make the move to the latest and greatest vBulletin version for all of my forums. Currently not every forum I run is updated completely. It’s too much of a pain to do this every time .0X version comes out (i.e. 3.67 to 3.68). In the past I had paid my vBulletin designer to update the skins for me, but I think this time I plan to do it myself. Even though there are template changes, I really want to learn how to update vBulletin skins at the very least.

In my opinion, all of the new features of vBulletin 3.7 combined with the ability to use vBulletin blogs is enough for me to make the switch soon but I think I may wait until the stable version is released. What do you think of vBulletin 3.7 and will you make the switch now, wait for a stable release or stick with what you run currently?

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Hey, it’s been a little over two weeks since I last posted! I know I’ve commited one of the cardinal sins of Blogging (not updating on a consistent basis), but I’ve been super busy with a new job I just started and playing way too much Halo 3. I really enjoy the job I started and one of the nice perks of the job is free access to the sounder (a commuter train in WA). So I’ll be picking up a laptop soon and will be able to blog and work on my websites during the morning and after work commute so you should expect to see more updates.

The blogging schedule I’m going to focus on maintaining is every other day which will put me at 3 posts a week and 4 posts the following week. I’m sure I can do that and the slip I’ve recently experienced has been a combination of the Master Chief calling my name to come play more Halo 3 and the new job taking up a lot of my time as well.

Who else here suffers from maintaining a consistent blogging schedule?

On a blog related note, I’ve had a lot of trouble trying to get the top commentators plugin working on my site for some reason. It’s been giving me more of a pain than any other plugin I’ve worked with. So if anyone wants to give me a hand with that feel free to post your msn or aim and I’ll get in touch with you.

As for my forums, I’ve been undergoing some staffing woes and am trying the new staff selection process I coined: Have your forum members pick their moderators and here is part two. I’ll be writing one more part after the new staff selection process finishes up on my largest forum, but I’ve seem some positive results so far and I think it’ll be in the best interests of the community by coming up with new staffers by having the members nominate them.

Has anyone else tried my ‘nominate your forum moderators’ idea for your forum(s) yet?

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This is a follow up post on where I wrote about having your forum members pick their moderators. If you’d like to read the first post you can do so here.

It’s safe to say this idea was a success. I wrote a thread on my World of Warcraft Forum where members could nominate themselves or other members on the forum that they’d like to have be moderators rather than simply leaving the task to the administrator. We now have two moderators on the site that are both interested in doing it and received some nominations. I think that from now on I plan to add moderators to my new forums via member nominations because this way the members have more of a say in who helps to shape the community. Even for a smaller forum this tactic worked out well.

Has anyone else tried doing this before?

Side Note:

In the past several weeks I’ve been working really hard on this blogs, my forums, finishing up paperwork and more. So because of the hard work and the fact that Halo 3 came out recently, I haven’t been as active on my blogs and forums. For those of you that haven’t read my about me page, I suggest you read it. One of the primary reasons why I am running websites now is because of my success in using videos from Halo 2 as a promotion tool. I’m obviously still a Halo fan so I was looking forward to Sept. 25th and some time to relax. Now that I’ve taken a solid break I’ll be playing less Halo and getting some more work done :D

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